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  The secret 10 year plan to save the watchtower .

  by gavindlt in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  https://youtu.be/pszy22hzj8o.

  new light?.

  https://www.dadseekingtruth.com/.

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  Elmer
  I agree Gorb. The GB are just figureheads the way Colonel Sanders was to KFC

  
  
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  How would you define RELIGION, and why?

  by Fernando in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  "judge" rutherford defined or classified all religion as "a snare and a racket" in his books "religion" and "enemies".. after rutherford's death in 1942, his protege, watchtower vice president, and aclu darling, hayden c. covington, in the early 1950's, for reasons of legal expedience and supremacist aspirations, suddenly converted the watchtower into a religion.. this was done alongside one of the most audacious, spurious and longstanding swindles of the us legal system.

  this involved twisting philippians 1:7 and misrepresenting the watchtower's true nature, objectives and activities.. .

  this meant that it became necessary for the watchtower to suddenly reclassify and redefine religion (w51 1/15 p. 43 new legal booklet well named; w51 8/15 p. 511 questions from readers; yb75 p. 161 part 2 "for gladys bolton...").. two new watchtower classifications were suddenly created: "true religion" and "false religion".. now "true religion" meant "true beliefs" whilst "belief" in ever changing watchtower doctrine was equated with the one "faith" of scripture.. all this while the watchtower increasingly and maliciously truncated, obfuscated and hid the liberating full "good news" (or unabridged gospel) of scripture, which it lyingly claimed (in court) that it was actually "defending and legally establishing".. how would you have defined religion before learning ttatt?.

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  Religion:

  An organisation that offers its members the opportunity to cheat death provided they follow their rules exclusively.
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  Zoom replaced with KHCONF+ app for meetings?

  by joey jojo in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  just heard about khconf+ app replacing zoom for hybrid meetings at kngdom halls.

  did a quick search here and didnt find any posts about it.

  have i missed something?.

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  Just heard about KHCONF+ app replacing Zoom for hybrid meetings at kngdom halls. Did a quick search here and didnt find any posts about it. Have I missed something?

  Here is a link: https://www.khconf.com/index.php
  

  The app privacy statement indicates that the borg will gather a lot more user data than they could with zoom. https://www.khconf.com/privacy-policy.php

  Are KH's adopting this?

  Edited: I was using khconf+ in search. I dropped the + and found some info. :)
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  A talk about 1975 from 1972

  by Nostromo in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  everybody knows the famous "stay alive still 75" audio clip but here is a clip from 1972 with english subtitles.

  harold mouritz was the branch committee member in finland when he gave this talk.

  later he became the coordinator of the australian branch.

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  Anyone that makes predictions in gods name like this should suffer public humiliation and hang their head in shame when it doesn't come to pass for the rest of their lives.The organisation they represent should be ashamed and at least offer an apology or an explanation.

  However, in the borg it doesnt work like that. Viv Moritz was one of the most admired men at the Australian bethel. In the 90's, I remember a bethel friend of mine speaking about him in almost hushed tones of reverence.

  As far as 1975 being a notable year, the number one song that year, according to wikipedia was by Captain and Tennille. That says everything about how important 1975 was in the scheme of things.
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  The Reasoning Book

  by Magnum in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the book reasoning from the scriptures was released in the 1980's, and it was used at virtually every meeting for service, every service meeting, and every theocratic ministry school meeting thereafter.

  many jws had copies bound together with their bibles.

  it was huge in jw land back then.. at that time, with the reasoning book, jws were trained to keep conversations going in spite of objections, to almost stick their feet in people's doors to keep conversations going, to defend "the truth," to argue doctrine, etc.. compare the situation today with that of the 80's.

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  The Reasoning Book is an embarrassment to the org. It only made sense because of the old generation teaching and I cant believe it wasnt deleted from the online library years ago.

  Regarding the last days it still says (from jw.org):

  Last Days
  Definition: The Bible uses the expression “last days” to refer to the concluding time period leading up to a divinely appointed execution that marks the end of a system of things. The Jewish system with its worship built around the temple in Jerusalem experienced its last days from 33 to 70 C.E. What occurred then was pictorial of what would be experienced in a greatly intensified way and on a global scale at a time when all nations would be facing the execution of judgment decreed by God. The present wicked system of things, which extends worldwide, entered its last days in 1914, and some of the generation alive then will also be on hand to witness its complete end in the “great tribulation.”

  Here is the ridiculous explanation for 'increased' earthquakes:

  “There will be great earthquakes” (Luke 21:11)
  It is true that there were major quakes in centuries past; furthermore, with their sensitive equipment scientists now detect more than a million quakes a year. But no special instruments are needed for people to know when there is a great earthquake.
  Has there actually been a significant number of major earthquakes since 1914? With data obtained from the National Geophysical Data Center in Boulder, Colorado, supplemented by a number of standard reference works, a tabulation was made in 1984 that included only earthquakes that measured 7.5 or more on the Richter scale, or that resulted in destruction of five million dollars (U.S.) or more in property, or that caused 100 or more deaths. It was calculated that there had been 856 of such earthquakes during the 2,000 years before 1914. The same tabulation showed that in just 69 years following 1914 there were 605 of such quakes. That means that, in comparison with the previous 2,000 years, the average per year has been 20 times as great since 1914.
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  The Next Big Thing In WT World

  by NotFormer in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  things got a bit lively after the agm leaks in october.

  there was a lot of discussion going on on this board for a few months.

  now that all the leaks have been more or less confirmed as policy, and we've had lively discussions at length concerning the changes, things seem to have slowed down here.. a few suggestions have been raised as to what might be the next changes, such as women being allowed to wear slacks (in the usa, anyway), decoupling from 1914 as an anchoring date and others.. so, what changes do you think will be announced this year?.

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  scholar
  Jeffro
  They simply have too much vested in 1914 to drop it altogether. (Though if they did, it would be very amusing watching ‘scholar’ bleat about how 607 was actually wrong all along.)
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  Only in your dreams. Such a change is highly improbable especially when WT critics cannot provide a single line of evidence that disproves 607 BCE!!!
  scholar JW

  I still say Scholar is trolling us.
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  The Next Big Thing In WT World

  by NotFormer in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  things got a bit lively after the agm leaks in october.

  there was a lot of discussion going on on this board for a few months.

  now that all the leaks have been more or less confirmed as policy, and we've had lively discussions at length concerning the changes, things seem to have slowed down here.. a few suggestions have been raised as to what might be the next changes, such as women being allowed to wear slacks (in the usa, anyway), decoupling from 1914 as an anchoring date and others.. so, what changes do you think will be announced this year?.

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  My money is on another change to 1914. This year felt like table-setting in preparation for it.
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  In spite of the Australian Royal Commission...

  by joey jojo in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-01-29/jehovahs-witnesses-not-reporting-all-child-sex-abuse-to-police-/103320582.

  national news story in australia today.. the inquiry heard that since the 1950s, the witnesses hid more than 1,000 cases of child sexual abuse.the faith group did not report one case to police over that time.the royal commission was announced in 2012 and the final report was delivered in 2017.in the wake of the institutional failings exposed by the commission, western australia’s mandatory reporting requirements were expanded to include religious ministers in 2021.it meant that they would have to report child sexual abuse to authorities.however, despite it being post royal commission, documents show how the religious group conducted its own internal investigation.the religious leaders did not report the matter to police.

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  https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-01-29/jehovahs-witnesses-not-reporting-all-child-sex-abuse-to-police-/103320582

  National news story in Australia today.

  The inquiry heard that since the 1950s, the Witnesses hid more than 1,000 cases of child sexual abuse.
  The faith group did not report one case to police over that time.
  The royal commission was announced in 2012 and the final report was delivered in 2017.
  In the wake of the institutional failings exposed by the commission, Western Australia’s mandatory reporting requirements were expanded to include religious ministers in 2021.
  It meant that they would have to report child sexual abuse to authorities.
  However, despite it being post royal commission, documents show how the religious group conducted its own internal investigation.
  The religious leaders did not report the matter to police.
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  The Reason Behind Recent Watchtower Changes

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  eric wilson's video is worth a view.. https://youtu.be/iil4fryuczk?si=f566n0tdqgpqc2ok.

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  Fold like a lawn chair?
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  Conversation with old friend

  by LongHairGal in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i recently had a conversation with an old acquaintance from the congregation i used to attend.

  we talked about the recent changes in the 2023 annual meeting.

  i especially pointed out the one about getting rid of hourly reporting on monthly time slips.

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  Spoke to an old friend today about the changes. He actually said that "he doesnt care if the GB are right or wrong - they are still Jehovahs chosen mouthpiece".